mail [used to be] not going thru - xoxy.net

[qqdcqqdc]

In the two months since I first posted this, I have seen many delays such as this one today of close to 5 hours:

Received: from mr02.hotwire.com (mr02.hotwire.com [64.95.142.157])
by gourmet.spamgourmet.com (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id kASLIweA007980
for <hotwire.<deleted>@xoxy.net>; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 13:18:58 -0800
Received: from ejb03.hotwire.com (unknown [64.95.142.137])
by mr02.hotwire.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5D1C42A
for <hotwire.<deleted>@xoxy.net>; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 08:32:01 -0800 (PST)

Some go through fast, then about 10% delays of 45 min to 5 hours. Today, 75% of mails delayed. Usually about 5 days of good response, then BAM, a really bad day. I've read of your DOS attacks. Is this the reason? What's the prognosis?
Do you expect things to get better, or should I just get used to it and not use SG for interactive emails; save SG for non-critical maillists? Thanks ahead for any meaningful response.

[SysKoll]

Yup, it's the DDoS. I'm going to increase the countermeasure level tonight (sorry for not being more specific). We'll see if it helps.

[rdigqd]

..... [i]should I just get used to it and not use SG for interactive
emails; save SG for non-critical maillists? [/i]

Indeed PITA/bummer/... that SG is taking these hits
(cuz I use it and rely on it a LOT and have just now spent
24+ hours waiting for an e-m with a license code so I can
activate a newly d/l-ed version of software!!).

[u]My question[/u]:
what SG-like alternatives are out there (even if a
_reasonable_ cost/fee is involved) that can indeed be
used and relied upon for time-critical e-m ??

I am asking quite sincerely.

jim

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[josh]

http://www.meinspamschutz.de/ is a site running the spamgourmet code -- I think it's free.

[SysKoll]

rdigqd,

I am myself trying to encourage people to start a commercial service with the sg code. I'd gladly put my critical email on disposables from a commercially run server where admins are paid to solve problems, as opposed to the best-effort, free-time admins we are.

[rdigqd]

Apologies for the delay in responding to the excelent
suggestion by Josh, and equally laudable add-on by
SysKoll .. a coupla MAGNIFICENT contributors to this
Sysiphus-ian "battle"!!

I made my "Call For Help" here -- though after the fact
a change of thread title might have been wise -- cuz if
anyone would know of, and know the quality of, alternatives
that could be used (with or without fees) for time-critical
messages it'd be the SG community.

Thanx!!!! for the suggestion of the '.de' site

I looked at it, and will probably move some traffic, where
possible, over to there in an effort to get around the
bottlenecks that the DDos, etc. seems to be (IS!!!)
inflicting on SG

** Downside of that "solution" is
-- the country/culture-specifc nature of their URL
suffix ('meinspamschutz.de'),
-- that it is kinda obvious to even the nim-nulls that
it is a spam filter facility,
and
-- that (for easily obvious economic reasons) they
don't appear to offer "alias" suffixes such as SG does.

I use the 'xoxy.net' variant provided by/through SG very
very very HEAVILY ... and am profoundly thankful for the
'cover' that provides!!

And, that is the 'nub' here ... for those situations where
I have a 'published' non-SG em-id that auto-forwards to
SG and then SG send the 'wheat' to my real em-id (whilst
'eating' the 'chaff' <G>), use of the 'meinspamschutz' is fairly
straight-foward and likely easily do-able. BUT, for those
of my (many) em-id's that are in xxxx.x.xxxx@XOXY.NET
form migration is way more difficult.

Hopefully, a solution will emerge from this discussion
(on this thread, or on another started to address the
need/purpose).

So... THANX for the guidance & assistance!!
Let's hope the progress to even better solutions
moves onward.
And... :On with the 'battle' and fingers-crossed that
a commercial offering or a bunch of them indeed
emerge AND survive << i.e.: not get 'Blue Frog-ed>>

jim
------------------------

[drawson]

I just learned of failed deliveries to an email address of mine at xoxy.net, and read through the discussions here.

Is the problem now more with xoxy.net than other aliases?

That's how the thread started out, but if the DDOS mischief actually chokes the servers that are common to all SG right-hand-sides, I wouldn't expect xoxy.net to perform any more reliably.

Regards, Dick

[lwc]

People actually showed me "undelivered" messages sent back from Neverbox...

[de552]

Is there any other short and handy domain names supported by spamgourmet?

[LowKey]

9ox.net
a-bc.net
antichef.com
antichef.net
dfgh.net
inboxclean.com
neverbox.com
ordinaryamerican.net
recursor.net
spamcannon.com
spamcannon.net
spamcowboy.com
spamcowboy.net
spamcowboy.org
spameater.org
spamgourmet.com
spamgourmet.net
spamgourmet.org
wronghead.com
xoxy.net

[de552]

9ox.net
dfgh.net
ordinaryamerican.net
xoxy.net

Thanks! I like those.

ordinaryamerican.net makes me laugh my pants off!

[JamesWzmbie]

I am having delays with xoxy.net for many many months now. Emails get delayed for hours. This was the reason I switched to meinspamschutz.de. Its service was very reliable. Unfortunately it has been gone for some days.

So whats wrong with xoxy.net? Why am I getting those delays? Does the same problem occur with other SG domains?

here is en excerpt from an email header. you will notice a 1 hour delay. This is just an example for many other delayed emails

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Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 19 Apr 2007 16:35:00 -0000
Received: from gourmet.spamgourmet.com (EHLO gourmet.spamgourmet.com) [216.75.35.164]
  by mx0.gmx.net (mx060) with SMTP; 19 Apr 2007 18:35:00 +0200
Received: from gourmet.spamgourmet.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1])
   by gourmet.spamgourmet.com (8.13.8/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l3JGYxte010694
   for <blabla>; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 16:34:59 GMT
Received: (from jqh1@localhost)
   by gourmet.spamgourmet.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id l3JGYxxT010675
   for blabla; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 16:34:59 GMT
Received: from sysinternals (66-193-254-52.static.twtelecom.net [66.193.254.52])
   by gourmet.spamgourmet.com (8.13.8/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l3JGYvbE010623
   for <blabla>; Thu, 19 Apr 2007 16:34:58 GMT
Received: from mail pickup service by sysinternals with Microsoft SMTPSVC;
    Thu, 19 Apr 2007 10:33:47 -0500
From: "Sysinternals Forums - blabla" <blabla>
To: blabla
Subject: blabla (blabla: message 1 of 20)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 10:33:47 -0500

Regards

[SysKoll]

In the case you are mentionning, I searched on that message ID in our log and found it:

First, we receive it:
Apr 19 16:34:58 gourmet sendmail[10623]: l3JGYvbE010623: from=<The sender>, size=1229, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=<SYSINTERNALS6Ssuot00000030a@sysinternals>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=gourmet, relay=66-193-254-52.static.twtelecom.net [66.193.254.52]

Then, we forward it:
Apr 19 16:34:59 gourmet sendmail[10657]: l3JGYvbE010623: to="|/home/jqh1/sg/spameater", ctladdr=<Your sg address> (500/500), delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=prog, pri=31463, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent

And off it goes to your mailbox:
Apr 19 16:35:01 gourmet sendmail[10710]: l3JGYxte010694: to=<Your protected address>, ctladdr=<xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> (500/500), delay=00:00:02, xdelay=00:00:02, mailer=esmtp, pri=121808, relay=mx0.gmx.de. [213.165.64.100], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (Message accepted {mx060})

Total elapsed time: 3 seconds.

Now, the sending SMTP server might have had trouble connecting to our server in the first place. According to this line:
Received: from mail pickup service by sysinternals with Microsoft SMTPSVC;
Thu, 19 Apr 2007 10:33:47 -0500
the server tried for an hour and a few seconds.

Don't forget, we are still in a midst of a Denial of Service Attack. We are mitigating it and the worst seems over, but we still have a very heavy load on our machine, which refuses connections routinely. The sysinternal server probably tried to connect at a bad time and was rejected, so it waited and retried .

So that's why you are seeing a delay!

[JamesWzmbie]

Now, the sending SMTP server might have had trouble connecting to our server in the first place. According to this line:
Received: from mail pickup service by sysinternals with Microsoft SMTPSVC;
Thu, 19 Apr 2007 10:33:47 -0500
the server tried for an hour and a few seconds.

Thanks for your reply. Thats what happens to many of my emails. Is this problem only related to xoxy.net? Or will it help to use another SG domain?

Regards

[SysKoll]

The domain is irrelevant. Only the volume of inbound traffic matters.